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Did Confucius ever meet the Daoist Laozi?

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Did Confucius ever meet the Daoist Laozi?

Short answer, maybe. Our longer answer comes from the end of chapter 3 of my book “30 Philosophers.”

According to legend, a 30-year-old Confucius made the long journey to meet an 80-year-old Laozi, who was serving as a historian in the Zhou dynasty. During their conversation, Laozi emphasized the simplicity and naturalness of Daoist philosophy, contrasting with Confucianism’s more formal approach. This meeting is often seen as a pivotal moment in the development of the two philosophical systems, highlighting their differences in thought and perspective.

Where did this story come from? One source comces to us from circa 100 BCE. According to Sima Qian’s account in the “Records of the Grand Historian,” a young Confucius visited a much older Laozi at the end of his life. The story goes that Confucius sought his advice on rites and ceremonies. This encounter would have required Confucius to travel 650 miles from his home state of Lu to Zhou, crossing rivers, mountains, and cultural boundaries.

Did this encounter really happen? It’s hard to say. But what’s clear is that their philosophies—Daoism’s embrace of natural flow and Confucianism’s focus on order—developed side by side, weaving a rich tapestry of Chinese thought.

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Although we have records of their meeting going back to 100 BCE, this is a much debated story in academic circles. This story is a legend, not history.
Subject: History versus legend..
The story lives at the boundary between history and legend. A famous account from Sima Qian, circa 100 BCE, claims a young Confucius met the elderly Laozi in Zhou. The journey and meeting are plausible but unverified, as this earliest known account appears centuries after the event, with no contemporaneous records. Regardless, Confucianism and Daoism clearly developed side by side, splitting Chinese thought. A wise person understands how Confucius and Laozi bifurcated Eastern thought and how Plato and Aristotle did the same for Western thought.

Flashcard.

What term describes a story that feels true without being historically verified?.
Answer. Verisimilitude.


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was first published on TST 2 years ago.
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