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Did Confucius ever meet the Daoist Laozi?

Laozi and Confucius
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TAKE-AWAY: We do have records of their meeting going back to 100 BCE, so it is possible. However, this is a much debated story in academic circles.
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Did Confucius ever meet the Daoist Laozi?

Short answer, maybe. Our longer answer comes from the end of chapter 3 of my book “30 Philosophers.”

According to legend, a 30-year-old Confucius made the long journey to meet an 80-year-old Laozi, who was serving as a historian in the Zhou dynasty. During their conversation, Laozi emphasized the simplicity and naturalness of Daoist philosophy, contrasting with Confucianism’s more formal approach. This meeting is often seen as a pivotal moment in the development of the two philosophical systems, highlighting their differences in thought and perspective.

Where did this story come from? One source comces to us from circa 100 BCE. According to Sima Qian’s account in the “Records of the Grand Historian,” a young Confucius visited a much older Laozi at the end of his life. The story goes that Confucius sought his advice on rites and ceremonies. This encounter would have required Confucius to travel 650 miles from his home state of Lu to Zhou, crossing rivers, mountains, and cultural boundaries.

Did this encounter really happen? It’s hard to say. But what’s clear is that their philosophies—Daoism’s embrace of natural flow and Confucianism’s focus on order—developed side by side, weaving a rich tapestry of Chinese thought.

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